Thursday, September 8, 2011

400-408 – • NYT (9/7/2011) TRANSCRIPT: The Republican Debate at the Reagan Library.

(1:51) 1 Perry – Jobs

WILLIAMS:  Governor Perry, we're going to begin with you.  You're the newcomer here on stage.  You probably saw this coming a mile away.  You have touted your state's low taxes, the lack of regulation, tough tort reform as the recipe for job growth in the Lone Star State, but Texas ranks last among those who have completed high school, there are only eight other states with more living in poverty, no other state has more working at or below the minimum wage.  So is that the kind of answer all Americans are looking for?

PERRY:  Actually, what Americans are looking for is someone who can get this country working again.  And we put the model in place in the state of Texas.  When you look at what we have done over the last decade, we created 1 million jobs in the state of Texas.  At the same time, America lost 2.5 million.  So I will suggest to you that Americans are focused on the right issue, and that is, who on this stage can get America working?  Because we know for a fact the resident of the White House cannot.

WILLIAMS:  But you know by now the counterargument to that is the number of low-wage jobs and the fact that unemployment is better in over half the states of the union than it is right now in Texas.

PERRY:  Well, the first part of that comment is incorrect, because 95 percent of all the jobs that we've created have been above minimum wage.  So I'm proud of what we've done in the state of Texas.  And for the White House or anyone else to be criticizing creation of jobs now in America, I think is a little bit hypocritical.  You want to create jobs in America?  You free the American entrepreneur to do what he or she does, which is risk their capital, and I'll guarantee you, the entrepreneur in America, the small businessman and woman, they're looking for a president that will say we're going to lower the tax burden on you and we're going to lower the regulation impact on you, and free them to do what they do best:  create jobs.

(2:22) 2-1 Romney – Qualifications. 

WILLIAMS:  Governor Romney, over to you.  You've opened the door on this topic, at least where Governor Perry's concerned.  Despite your own private-sector experience, as you know, Massachusetts ranked only 47th in job creation during your tenure as governor.  As for your private-sector experience, as Governor Perry's strategist recently put it, consisted of being, quote, "a buyout specialist."  Your response to that?

ROMNEY:  Well, not terribly accurate, at least with regards to the latter.  And our state — I'm happy to take a look at the Massachusetts record, because when I came in as governor, we were in a real freefall.  We were losing jobs every month.  We had a budget that was way out of balance.  So I came into office, we went to work as a team, and we were able to turn around the job losses.  And at the end of four years, we had our unemployment rate down to 4.7 percent.  That's a record I think the president would like to see.  As a matter of fact, we created more jobs in Massachusetts than this president has created in the entire country.  The policies that will get us working again as a nation are policies I understand having worked in the private sector.  Look, if I had spent my whole life in government, I wouldn't be running for president right now.  My experience, having started enterprises, having helped other enterprises grow and thrive, is what gives me the experience to put together a plan to help restructure the basis of America's economic foundation so we can create jobs again, good jobs, and compete with anyone in the world.  This country has a bright future.  Our president doesn't understand how the economy works.  I do, because I've lived in it.

WILLIAMS:  Time, Governor.  Let's get a little more specific.  Bain Capital, a company you helped to form, among other things, often buys up companies, strips them down, gets them ready, resells them at a net job loss to American workers.

ROMNEY:  You know, that might be how some people would like to characterize what we did, but in fact, we started business at Bain Capital, and when we acquired businesses, in each case we tried to make them bigger, make them more successful and grow.  The idea that somehow you can strip things down and it makes them more valuable is not a real effective investment strategy.  We tried to make these businesses more successful.  By the way, they didn't all work.  But when it was all said and done, and we looked at the record we had during the years I was there, we added tens of thousands of jobs to he businesses we helped support.  That experience, succeeding, failing, competing around the world, is what gives me the capacity to help get this economy going again.

(2:22) 2-2 Romney – Creating Jobs

WILLIAMS:  Time.  I mentioned one more reference to being a career politician.  Is it a disqualification to be in government all your career?

ROMNEY:  It's a fine profession, and if someone were looking to say how can we restructure government, and which agency should report to which other agency, well, maybe that's the best background.  If you're thinking about what it takes to reshape and update America's economy, and to allow us to compete with China and other nations around the world, understanding how the economy works fundamentally is a credential I think is critical.

WILLIAMS:  Governor Perry, a 30-second rebuttal.  You spent your career in that fine profession of elected office.  Your reaction to that?

PERRY:  Well, Governor Romney left the private sector, and he did a great job of creating jobs in the private sector all around the world.  But the fact is, when he moved that experience to government, he had one of the lowest job creation rates in the country.  So the fact is, while he had a good private sector record, his public sector record did not match that.  As a matter of fact, we created more jobs in the last three months in Texas than he created in four years in Massachusetts.

WILLIAMS:  Well, let's widen this out and let's bring in Mr. Cain on one side –

ROMNEY:  Wait a second.

WILLIAMS:  Go ahead.  I'll give you 30 seconds.

ROMNEY:  Listen, wait a second.

WILLIAMS:  We could do this all evening.

ROMNEY:  States are different.  Texas is a great state.  Texas has zero income tax.  Texas has a right to work state, a Republican legislature, a Republican Supreme Court.  Texas has a lot of oil and gas in the ground.  Those are wonderful things, but Governor Perry doesn't believe that he created those things.  If he tried to say that, well, it would be like Al Gore saying he invented the Internet.


ROMNEY:  Look, the reality is, there are differences.  There are differences between states.  I came into a state that was in real trouble — a huge budget gap, losing jobs every month.  We turned it around.  Three out of four years, we had unemployment rate below the national average, we ended up with 4.7 percent unemployment rate.  I'm proud of what we were able to do in a tough situation.

WILLIAMS:  Time.  Governor Perry?

PERRY:  I know back and forth — Michael Dukakis created jobs three times faster than you did, Mitt.

ROMNEY:  Well, as a matter of fact, George Bush and his predecessor created jobs at a faster rate than you did, Governor.


PERRY:  That's not correct.

ROMNEY:  Yes, that is correct.

WILLIAMS:  Nice to see everybody came prepared for tonight's conversation.


(1:47) 3 Newt – Obama waging class warfare and committed to socialism.

WILLIAMS:  Mr. Speaker, as you remember, you wrote the foreword to Rick Perry's most recent book called "Fed Up," and you called him, quote, "uniquely qualified to explain what's taking place with the economy."  Does that mean, in terms of job creation credentials, he has your proxy at a gathering like this?

GINGRICH:  No, but it means that, if he wants to write another book, I'll write another foreword.  (LAUGHTER)  As he himself — look, he's said himself, that was an interesting book of ideas by somebody who's not proposing a manifesto for president.  And I think to go back and try to take that apart is silly.  But let me just use my time for a second, if I might, Brian.  I served during the Reagan campaign with people like Jack Kemp and Art Laffer.  We had an idea for job creation.  I served as a freshman — or as a sophomore helping pass the Reagan's jobs program.  At, I put out last Friday the response to the Obama stagnation.  The fact is, if you took the peak of the Reagan unemployment, which he inherited from Carter, by last Friday, going month by month, under Ronald Reagan, we'd have 3,700,000 more Americans working.  When I was speaker, we added 11 million jobs, in a bipartisan effort, including welfare reform, the largest capital gains tax cut in history.  We balanced the budget for four straight years.  The fact that President Obama doesn't come to the Reagan Library to try to figure out how to create jobs, doesn't talk to any of these three governors to learn how to create jobs, doesn't talk to Herman Cain to learn how to create jobs tells you that this is a president so committed to class warfare and so committed to bureaucratic socialism that he can't possibly be effective in jobs.

WILLIAMS:  Mr. Speaker, thank you.

413-423 – (2:34) 4-1 Perry – Ponzi Scheme

HARRIS: Governor Perry, you said you wrote the book "Fed Up" to start a conversation. Congratulations. It's certainly done that in recent weeks.

In the book, you call Social Security the best example of a program that "violently tossed aside any respect for states' rights." We understand your position that it's got funding problems now. I'd like you to explain your view that Social Security was wrong right from the beginning.

PERRY: Well, I think any of us that want to go back and change 70 years of what's been going on in this country is probably going to have a difficult time. And rather than spending a lot of time talking about what those folks were doing back in the '30s and the '40s, it's a nice intellectual conversation, but the fact is we have got to be focussed on how we're going to change this program.

And people who are on Social Security today, men and women who are receiving those benefits today, are individuals at my age that are in line pretty quick to get them, they don't need to worry about anything. But I think the Republican candidates are talking about ways to transition this program, and it is a monstrous lie.

It is a Ponzi scheme to tell our kids that are 25 or 30 years old today, you're paying into a program that's going to be there. Anybody that's for the status quo with Social Security today is involved with a monstrous lie to our kids, and it's not right.

HARRIS: OK. Thank you, sir.

Let me follow on that. You mentioned the phrase "Ponzi scheme."

Just this morning, your former political adviser, Karl Rove, said that type of language could be "toxic," as he put it, in a general election. Vice President Cheney gave an interview today to ABC News, when he said it's not a Ponzi scheme, "It's a program that a great many people depend on."

My understanding is you're standing by every word you've written in that book. Is that right?

PERRY: Yes, sir. You know, Karl has been over the top for a long time in some of his remarks. So I'm not responsible for Karl anymore. But the fact is --

HARRIS: Vice President Cheney though said it's not a Ponzi scheme. You say it is.

PERRY: Absolutely. If Vice President Cheney or anyone else says that the program that we have in place today, and young people who are paying into that, expect that program to be sound, and for them to receive benefits when they reach retirement age, that is just a lie. And I don't care what anyone says. We know that, the American people know that, but more importantly, those 25-and-30-year-olds know that.

(1:18) 4-2 Romney – Social Security

(APPLAUSE) HARRIS: Governor Romney, let's be blunt. Let's be blunt. Democrats are itching to use that kind of provocative language against Republicans, yet you acknowledge yourself that Social Security has funding problems.

How do you have a candid conversation about Social Security without scaring seniors?

ROMNEY: Well, the issue is not the funding of Social Security. We all agree and have for years that the funding program of Social Security is not working, and Congress has been raiding the dollars from Social Security to pay for annual government expenditures. That's wrong. The funding, however, is not the issue.

The issue in the book "Fed Up," Governor, is you say that by any measure, Social Security is a failure. You can't say that to tens of millions of Americans who live on Social Security and those who have lived on it.

The governor says look, states ought to be able to opt out of Social Security. Our nominee has to be someone who isn't committed to abolishing Social Security, but who is committed to saving Social Security.

We have always had, at the heart of our party, a recognition that we want to care for those in need, and our seniors have the need of Social Security. I will make sure that we keep the program and we make it financially secure. We save Social Security.

And under no circumstances would I ever say by any measure it's a failure. It is working for millions of Americans, and I'll keep it working for millions of Americans. And we've got to do that as a party.

(1:18) 4-3 Perry & Romney – 

HARRIS: Thank you, Governor.

Governor Perry, a 30-second rebuttal. Governor Romney said Vice President Cheney is right and you're wrong about Ponzi schemes.

PERRY: Well, here's -- again, we're not trying to pick fights here.

HARRIS: Understood.

PERRY: We're about fixing things. You can either have reasons or you can have results. And the American people expect us to put results in place.

You cannot keep the status quo in place and not call it anything other than a Ponzi scheme. It is. That is what it is. Americans know that, and regardless of what anyone says, oh, it's not -- and that's provocative language -- maybe it's time to have some provocative language in this country and say things like, let's get America working again and do whatever it takes to make that happen. (APPLAUSE)

428-438 – • Gallup (11/17/2008) Americans Hold Firm to Support for Death Penalty. Only 21% say it is applied too often.

Last week's recommendation by a Maryland commission that the state's death penalty law be repealed contrasts with broad U.S. public support for the punishment. According to Gallup's annual Crime survey in October, 64% favor of Americans favor the death penalty for someone convicted of murder, while just 30% oppose it.

(1:52) 5-1 Perry – 234 Executions 

WILLIAMS: Governor Perry, a question about Texas. Your state has executed 234 death row inmates, more than any other governor in modern times. Have you...


Have you struggled to sleep at night with the idea that any one of those might have been innocent?

PERRY: No, sir. I've never struggled with that at all. The state of Texas has a very thoughtful, a very clear process in place of which -- when someone commits the most heinous of crimes against our citizens, they get a fair hearing, they go through an appellate process, they go up to the Supreme Court of the United States, if that's required.

But in the state of Texas, if you come into our state and you kill one of our children, you kill a police officer, you're involved with another crime and you kill one of our citizens, you will face the ultimate justice in the state of Texas, and that is, you will be executed.

WILLIAMS: What do you make of...


(1:41) 5-2 Perry – 234 Executions, cont.

WILLIAMS: What do you make of...


What do you make of that dynamic that just happened here, the mention of the execution of 234 people drew applause?

PERRY: I think Americans understand justice. I think Americans are clearly, in the vast majority of -- of cases, supportive of capital punishment. When you have committed heinous crimes against our citizens -- and it's a state-by-state issue, but in the state of Texas, our citizens have made that decision, and they made it clear, and they don't want you to commit those crimes against our citizens. And if you do, you will face the ultimate justice.

(:23) 5-1 short, Perry – The state of Texas has a very thoughtful, a very clear process in place of which -- when someone commits the most heinous of crimes against our citizens, they get a fair hearing, they go through an appellate process, they go up to the Supreme Court of the United States, if that's required.

(:23) 5-2 short, Perry –  if you come into our state and you kill one of our children, you kill a police officer, you're involved with another crime and you kill one of our citizens, you will face the ultimate justice in the state of Texas, and that is, you will be executed.  WILLIAMS: What do you make of… (APPLAUSE)

(:34) 5-3 short, Perry – I think Americans understand justice. I think Americans are clearly, in the vast majority of -- of cases, supportive of capital punishment. When you have committed heinous crimes against our citizens -- and it's a state-by-state issue, but in the state of Texas, our citizens have made that decision, and they made it clear, and they don't want you to commit those crimes against our citizens. And if you do, you will face the ultimate justice.

443-452 – Calls – Do you consider capital punishment an expression of justice or injustice?

458-508 – Mark Gregston, and his wife Jan, run Heartlight Ministries (, 1-866-700-FAMILY), a very successful, year-round, Christian boarding school and residential program that helps teenagers to begin living more-fulfilling and less self-destructive lifestyles.  Over the past 35 years, they've brought over 2,500 troubled teens from across the country to come and live with them in east Texas.  The Heartlight formula is loving and relational, not forced or focused on breaking the teen's spirit – it is designed to bring light into a troubled teens heart, so they can better recognize and deal with life's struggles.  They are the "go-to guys" when it comes to how to deal with a troubled teen.  Their free downloadable books are entitled Ten Ways To Turn Around Your Teen.  

• Mark will be holding a free seminar for parents on Saturday, Sept. 24th, from 8:00am to 12pm, at Oaks Christian School in Westlake Village, entitled "Turbulence Ahead."  Then, that evening at 6:30pm, he's hosting a fundraiser at the Westlake Village Inn where he'll be speaking again and people can donate to Heartlight.

Some of his great lines – "We are coddling our children in the hope that they will be able to live comfortably in a zoo, when we should be preparing them for real life in the jungle of reality.  And we all know, that if you release zoo animals into the wild, they'll be the first to get eaten in the jungle."

"Falling down is just part of growing up."

"Good grades plus good behavior equals freedom" (Bill Ziegler, a middle-school principal).

512-523 – Mark Gregston

528-539 – Mark Gregston

544-554 – Mark Gregston

558-608 – (We are the Champions) Jeff Pratto, coach of the World Champion Ocean View Little League All Stars from Huntington Beach, and his son Nick who got the game-winning hit in the bottom of the 6th against Japan with the bases loaded and two outs last Sunday.

• LA Times (8/28/2011) Huntington Beach's Ocean View team wins Little League World Series.

612-623 – Jeff & Nick Pratto,

628-639 – (2:09) Father Edward Beck. ABC News Religion Contributor on Mass and Modesty.

• ABC News (9/8/2011) Sunday Best? Church Leaders Blush at "Casual Catholic" Best

644-654 – (Harper Valley PTA) Calls – Let's talk about church dress codes… how do we address inappropriate dress, for guys and girls?

• NBC Bay Area (9/8/2011) FBI at Solyndra Headquarters.

// Solyndra filed for bankruptcy last week, shocking both workers and the Obama administration, which had given the startup $535 million in low interest loans.  Congress has demanded a hearing into the matter.

There are no reports of any arrests at this time.

Solyndra officials made numerous visits -- 20 -- to the White House, according to logs and reporting by The Daily Caller. //

• Washington Times (9/8/2011) FBI raids solar panel company hailed by Obama.Firm got $500 million in stimulus funds.

(:44) 6 Perry – Obama kept up the chase for bin Laden, and Keynesian policy is dead.

One thing that I want to say that he did do that I agree with is that he maintained the -- the chase and -- and we took out a very bad man in the form of bin Laden, and I -- and I tip my hat to him.

I give more props to those Navy SEALs that did the job, but -- and the other thing this president's done, he has proven for once and for all that government spending will not create one job. Keynesian policy and Keynesian theory is now done. We'll never have to have that experiment on America again.

And I might add that he kept Gitmo open against the will of his base, and I'm glad he did that. America's safer for it.

(2:04) 7 Perry – Climate Change

HARRIS: Governor Perry -- Governor Perry, Governor Huntsman were not specific about names, but the two of you do have a difference of opinion about climate change. Just recently in New Hampshire, you said that weekly and even daily scientists are coming forward to question the idea that human activity is behind climate change. Which scientists have you found most credible on this subject?

PERRY: Well, I do agree that there is -- the science is -- is not settled on this. The idea that we would put Americans' economy at -- at -- at jeopardy based on scientific theory that's not settled yet, to me, is just -- is nonsense. I mean, it -- I mean -- and I tell somebody, I said, just because you have a group of scientists that have stood up and said here is the fact, Galileo got outvoted for a spell.

But the fact is, to put America's economic future in jeopardy, asking us to cut back in areas that would have monstrous economic impact on this country is not good economics and I will suggest to you is not necessarily good science. Find out what the science truly is before you start putting the American economy in jeopardy.

HARRIS: Just to follow up quickly. Tell us how you've done that.


Are there specific -- specific scientists or specific theories that you've found especially compelling, as you...


PERRY: Let me tell you what I find compelling, is what we've done in the state of Texas, using our ability to regulate our clean air. We cleaned up our air in the state of Texas, more than any other state in the nation during the decade. Nitrous oxide levels, down by 57 percent. Ozone levels down by 27 percent.

That's the way you need to do it, not by some scientist somewhere saying, "Here is what we think is happening out there." The fact of the matter is, the science is not settled on whether or not the climate change is being impacted by man to the point where we're going to put America's economics in jeopardy.